This week, major leaders gather in Germany and Spain for the G7 and NATO summits to discuss the war in Ukraine, global economic woes, and Finland’s and Sweden’s NATO membership bids. At a virtual event on the summits, American Statecraft Program Director Christopher Chivvis spoke with Rose Gottemoeller and Charles Kupchan about what’s at stake for the summits and what U.S. President Joe Biden and his allies need to accomplish. This document includes excerpts from the event, which have been edited for length and clarity.